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VEX V5 Robotics Competition 2026-2027: Override
Tagged: GG6
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3233: Clarification of [SG10] Match Affecting Calculation When Both Alliances Remove Pins From Neutral Goals in the Same Match
During a Hypothetical Head-to-Head Elimination match, the following occurs:
Blue 1 removes one Placed yellow Pin from the center neutral Goal in a single interaction. Blue 2 has no relevant violations. At a different point in the match, Red 1 removes three Placed yellow Pins from a different neutral Goal in a single interaction. Red 2 has no relevant violations.
Assume that for this question, neither interaction is considered intentional, strategic, egregious, or a repeated Minor Violation.
The final scored result of the Match, before considering rule violations, is:
- Red Alliance 42
- Blue Alliance: 50
Rule [SG10] states that Placed Scoring Objects may not be removed from neutral Goals. Its Violation Notes state that, for Match Affecting calculations, an interaction removing 1–3 Pins is evaluated at 10 points per Pin, while an interaction removing 4+ Pins is evaluated at a combined value of 50 points. It further states that if subtracting this value from the offending Alliance’s final score would change the outcome of the Match, the Violation should be considered Match Affecting.
Applying this calculation separately:
- Blue 1 removed 1 Pin, so Blue’s calculation would be 50 - 10 = 40. Since 40 is less than Red’s 42, Blue’s violation would appear to be Match Affecting.
- Red 1 removed 3 Pins, so Red’s calculation would be 42 - 30 = 12. Since Red already lost the Match, Red’s violation would appear not to be Match Affecting.
Appendix C also states that a Violation cannot be Match Affecting if the offending Team did not win the Match, and that Match Affecting Violations are normally Major Violations.
Based on this, we would like clarification on the following:
This interpretation appears to create a situation where Blue could receive a Disqualification specifically because Blue won the Match.
Particularly, if Blue had instead finished with 41 points and lost the Match 42–41, Blue’s same one-Pin removal would appear not to be Match Affecting. At the same time, Red would then be the winning Alliance, and Red’s three-Pin removal would appear Match Affecting under the 30-point calculation, since 42 - 30 = 12, which is less than Blue’s 41, disqualifying them. Is it therefore an intended consequence of [SG10] that, in this scenario, an Alliance could receive a more favorable Match result by finishing with a lower score and losing on the field rather than scoring additional points, winning on the field, and receiving a Disqualification?
In this double-violation instance, could both Alliances receive Disqualifications and the Elimination Match (e.g., QF 2-1) be played again (e.g., as QF 2-2) to determine the Alliance that moves on in the bracket?
When both Alliances violate [SG10] in the same match, is there any circumstance in which the violations should offset one another? Specifically, should the value of Blue 1’s 10-point [SG10] violation be subtracted from the value of Red 1’s 30-point [SG10] violation, resulting in a net 20-point violation value attributed to Red for the purpose of determining whether Red’s violation was Match Affecting? (In this case, this would result in Blue winning the Match, because subtracting 20 points from Red’s 42-point score for the match-affecting determination would not change the original Blue victory.)
Or, is the correct application of [SG10] in this scenario to evaluate each Alliance’s violation independently against the original 42–50 final score, resulting in Blue receiving a Major Violation / Disqualification while Red’s violation remains Minor?
We are primarily looking for clarification on how [SG10] and the definition of Match Affecting should be applied when both Alliances commit separate [SG10] violations in the same Match, especially when the Alliance with the smaller violation wins with the original, unadjusted score.
Thank you for your time.
Vastaus committee
This process for handling Match Affecting calculations now works differently than in the past, and we acknowledge that the current <SG10> Violation notes do not make this process clear. We will attempt to correct that in the next game manual update.
The calculations for SG10 Violations should first be taken into account for both Alliances at the same time, prior to determining whether any Violation affected the outcome of the Match in favor of one Alliance or the other.
SCENARIO #1- Using your Elimination Match scenario, here's how to handle the Match Affecting calculations for these SG10 Violations:
- Red Alliance: 42 (final score) - 30 (value of removing 3 Pins) = 12 points (simulated final score)
- Blue Alliance: 50 (final score) - 10 (value of removing 1 Pin) = 40 points (simulated final score)
When comparing both the final scores and the simulated final scores, we can see that the blue Alliance would win the Match both before and after taking these calculations into account. Therefore, these Violations committed by the red and blue Alliances are not Match Affecting, and would instead be considered Minor Violations for both Alliances. Remember, these calculated values are not actually deducted from official Alliance scores, so the final score of the Match remains 50 (blue) to 42 (red).
SCENARIO #2- Let's consider a different Elimination Match scenario, where the Violations affect the outcome of the Match in favor of one Alliance (red removes 2 Pins in a single interaction, and blue removes 4 Pins in a single interaction):
- Red Alliance: 75 (final score) - 20 (value of removing 2 Pins) = 55 points (simulated final score)
- Blue Alliance: 90 (final score) - 50 (value of removing 4 Pins) = 40 points (simulated final score)
The blue Alliance would win the Match before taking these calculations into account (shown by the final scores), but the red Alliance would win the Match after taking these calculations into account (shown by the simulated final scores). Therefore, the blue Alliance's more severe SG10 Violation was large enough to affect the outcome of the Match in their favor, which would result in a Match Affecting Violation (DQ) for the blue Alliance. The red Alliance's SG10 Violation would only be considered a Minor Violation in this case.
SCENARIO #3- Consider an Elimination Match scenario where taking into account all Match Affecting calculations for both Alliances results in a virtual tie (red removes 3 Pins in a single interaction, and blue removes 1 Pin in a single interaction):
- Red Alliance: 80 (final score) - 30 (value of removing 3 Pins) = 50 points (simulated final score)
- Blue Alliance: 60 (final score) - 10 (value of removing 1 Pin) = 50 points (simulated final score)
The red Alliance would win the Match before taking these calculations into account (shown by the final scores), but the Alliances would tie the Match after taking these calculations into account (shown by the simulated final scores). In this special case, both Alliances would incur Match Affecting Violations, and both Alliances would be disqualified for the Match. (In Appendix C, the last bullet point listed under “Match Affecting“ will be revised in the next game manual update to remove any language that conflicts with this outcome. This answer takes precedence over any conflicting language within Appendix C regarding Match Affecting Violations.)
2972: If final alliance got DQed before the first final match starts, will it be re-pairing or DQ both?
Q: From GG6(a), "In Final Matches, Disqualifications apply to the whole Alliance, not just one Team. An Alliance that receives a Disqualification in a Finals Match will receive zero (0) points."
The confusion on this is how to define "In the final matches". Does it mean final matches already start and violation happens during the match?
If our finals' alliance got DQed after all the qualification matches are done and before the first final match starts, will it be a re-pairing of final alliance or DQed both teams together in the finals?
Vastaus committee
In most cases, and for most rules, Violations will occur during a Match and any penalty is applied to that Match. In some circumstances, including CoC-related Violations in which investigations and outcomes may not coincide with the Match schedule, later Matches may be affected.
At any Qualifying event (official events that qualify Teams to higher levels of competition in the current season), once Alliances have been formed and published by the Event Partner, clause A of rule <GG6> applies in all cases in which one Team in an Alliance is Disqualified. That Disqualification applies to the entire Alliance, and both Teams receive a score of 0 for that Match.
Some non-Qualifying events, including the VEX Robotics World Championship, choose to apply a modified version of this rule and manually reconfigure the Finals Matches to allow re-pairing of Alliances or provide the next Team not yet in an Alliance as a substitute for the Disqualified Team. Because these events are not subject to the Qualifying Criteria, these alternate rules are acceptable.
Vastaus committee
That is correct.