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Official Q&A: VEX V5 Robotics Competition 2025-2026: Push Back
2776: GG16: Clarification on Who Gets the Penalty
<GG16> says:
You can’t force an opponent into a penalty. Intentional strategies that cause an opponent to break a rule are not permitted, and will not result in a Violation for the opposing Alliance.
but it also has a violation note that says (Emphasis mine):
Violation Notes: In most cases, if a Team causes their opponent to break a rule, the Head Referee will simply not enforce the penalty on that opponent, and it will be considered a Minor Violation for the Team that was forced into a Violation. However, if the forced situation becomes Match Affecting in favor of the Team that was forced into a Violation, it will be considered a Major Violation
This means that when a team is forced into a penalty they would get a minor violation for it which contradicts the wording of the GG16 rule itself.
Also the last sentence of the violation note doesn't clarify who gets the major violation? It makes it sound like if team RED1 was forced into a match affection violation by BLUE1 that caused the red alliance to win, then RED1 gets a major violation because it was match affecting.
In the training there is a scenario specific to that last sentence of the violation note (forcing an opponent into a match affecting rule violation) but the answer it says is correct is to give a minor violation to the team that forced the rule to be broken. That doesn't make sense because it is a match affecting rule violation and should be a major violation. Could you please explain this?
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Could you please clarify the correct usage/enforcement of GG16 for the following situations and generally how the violation note is supposed to be interpreted:
- BLUE1 forces RED1 into a match affection violation that would cause BLUE1 to win (ex: forcing RED1 to throw out 4 cubes)
- BLUE1 forces RED1 into a minor violation (ex: forcing RED1 to throw out 1 cube, pushing RED1 into the empty blue parking zone during the last 20 seconds)
- BLUE1 forces RED1 into a match affecting violation that causes RED1 to win (ex: pushing RED1 into BLUE2 while BLUE2 was parked during last 20 seconds causing BLUE2 to no longer be parked and the red alliance to win by less than 8 points)
Thank you for your question, Afnan!
You are correct, the Violation Note for rule <GG16> includes an error. That Violation Note will be revised in the next game manual update as shown below (changes are shown in bold), and the change is effective immediately.
>Violation Notes: In most cases, if a Team causes their opponent to break a rule, the Head Referee will simply not enforce the penalty on that opponent, and it will be considered a Minor Violation for the Team that forced a Violation. However, if the forced situation becomes Match Affecting in favor of the Team that forced the Violation, it will be considered a Major Violation for the Team that forced the Violation.
The outcomes of your specific scenarios should be:
- Major Violation for BLUE1, although the Match Affecting calculations should not consider penalties for the forced Violations themselves (including BLUE1 forcing RED1 to remove 4 Blocks from the Field).
- Minor Violation for BLUE1
- Minor Violation for BLUE1